he's in the white house with president obama. you are part of the administration that's been accused of not using its full political capital to create jobs when it had the chance. how do you respond to that criticism? >> i don't think that's fair. that's coming at the president from the left, and you just heard steven saying he wished they hadn't done anything. i think though it may not have any implication for the election in 2012, historians are going to look back and avoiding the great depression in twa2009 is going be viewed as a huge accomplishment. the economic crisis in 2008 was bigger than the one in 1929 which led us to the first finan bigger share of the economy now than it was then. >> i'm so scared looking forward. we have to figure out in washington how we can fix the right now and look longer term to cutting our debts and deficits. why can't we do both? even more, why can't we do both at the same time? i'm not convinced that washington and party politics will allow us to do -- we have to be juggling a lot of balls.